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    Posted: Nov/09/2016 at 4:08pm
New policy in Ontario for Fentanyl patches. I have to bring back every single one of my old patches that I've worn for 3 days back to the pharmacy so it's for 3 months so I better have 30 patches in the bag. 

I said I didn't feel comfortable keeping them in the house with pets and it's a real pain. I stick them on the new patch package it comes in. I tried to stick them on paper but they fall off. 

Next time the Pharmacist should give me the special paper from the Health Dept. but still have to keep it in a plastic bag.

It's because people abuse their patches. I could still inject it if I wanted to and return the empty patch the same way. But because people demanded something be done for the people who died from fentanyl overdoses they came up with this idea. I don't think it will work because they're getting illegal fentanyl from China or somewhere and has nothing to do but blame the real chronic pain people. I said if you want to handle my patches that I wear on my skin for 3 days ok. I don't think it will stop overdoses from drugs.
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Sara----

I'm speechless. They have nothing better to do?

What will we hear next?

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Lol. That sounds nasty. I am sure you have good personal hygiene but just think of those that don't. I feel kinda sorry for the pharmacist that has to handle them. At least you don't have to find a disposal method that could keep them out of an abusers hands. I am sure there is probably some active medication in used patches. Not sure how much but with enough patches there be enough for a high or overdose even.
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yes perhaps a plastic see through disposable box that somehow counts the patches when put in or something...

I may be clean but that patch doesn't move for 3 days eww. LOL
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Well I hope the UK don't get that idea! I always fold mine in half so it sticks together and put it in the sachet from the new one. Then I put it in our general rubbish. I cover each patch with a Tegaderm dressing. It's like cling film and very sticky. Tegaderm keep the patch firmly in place and are completely waterproof. 
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Wow! this is Terrible. I wouldn't want to keep those used patches around the house for a month, and then take them back. It is too dangerous. It sounds pretty gross to me. Sorry Sara. What will they come up with next...Edie
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for 3 months I have to keep them in a plastic bag in my wardrobe sealed out of reach of pets. I can hardly wait to see the Pharmacist count them...

Its ridiculous because many of the people who died of overdoses of fentanyl came from China and is black market made up not even legit Pharmacies in Canada. Health Canada something wrong with their thinking for sure...
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Sara---

What happens if these old patches aren't returned? And are they really counted?

Still sounds like a true waste of time on both the end of patient and pharmacy???

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they  count them and they don't give new prescription until all patches delivered save one that you wear. 
 Can you imagine if I got my purse stolen on the way to pharmacy how to explain that to Pharmacy. I would be cut off for sure. They just want to make sure you don't sell your patches or abuse them or chew them up or something I guess..
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1: long story but funny you should mention pets. My 4yr old dachshund that USED to be able to jump on bed somehow opened the drawer to my nightstand where I Stowed my used patches specifically so there would be no fear of garbage digging, and got a used patch out. Dropped it on the floor for lack of interest. My baby 1yr old found it and of course chewed and resulted in a 95 mph 6 mi run to hospital for vent and nolaxone. My driving, cpr, and trying to find a place I'd never been before did not make a good combination. She lived.

2: patches do contain a LOT of unused med. A 100 mcg patch depending on mfg contains 10mg of fent. Designed to last 72 hrs. Do the math and there is / are 2.8 mg of med suspended in transdermal material. Enough to do a lot of damage to a non-tolerant person much less a pet.
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What a demeaning, disgusting way of "controlling" Fentanyl abuse!,  I've used this medication-in patch form for years, and at times have had them "disappear" while swimming in the Gulf of Mexico, ( much to the delight of a few stoned dolphins, I'm sure...lol) and would be furious if questioned about "my count" by the "drug police."
I find it outrageous that we who are legitimate, intractable pain patients find ourselves "punished" and given the third degree for the behavior of junkies.
I'm so sorry you have to endure this ridiculous humiliation, but want to add that your concern regarding the safety of yours pets is commendable.
Take care and remember-this idiotic "crack down" won't last forever.
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I keep all my narcotic locked up in a safe like you see in hotel rooms.  I think I paid $99 on Amazon for it, but you can get them cheaper.  If someone really wants in they can break in.  I could spend $400 and buy a gun safe and keep them in there if I wanted to ensure that even a burglar couldn't get them, but I mostly want to know that I am the only one with access.  I mainly did it to guard against myself because I can't wake up half asleep and take an extra pain pill because I'd never be able to get past the combination lock, but it also ensures that visitors and my kid's firiends can't get into my meds.  Just a thought.

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The Pharmacist gave me a folder and it holds 20 patches so its more secure and they're glued right on there. I don't care I'm used to it now. I was told that another patient refused to bring back the old ones so she must have been selling or abusing them, so I'm not taking it personal anymore. Its like in the USA they do drug urine tests to make sure you're taking the drugs given to you, same thing kind of.

I'll be glad to get my nerves burned soon beginning of March. well not glad because it hurts but glad for the long term numbness it gives. Then I'm going for breast reduction surgery mid March. I'm nervous about that surgery recuperating on my own. Hard to lift my arms I hear for 2 weeks. I may get the PSW for a couple of hours for bathing, still have to get a shower chair. Lots to do so sorry if I'm not around so much. I'm discouraged about having to pay $2880. above Health Insurance for the surgery but the Dr does extra work. I was blessed to get a loan at 6% rather than the health surgery insurance it costs 8.5%. I only have to pay $50. a month back to the bank minimum. I'm really broke especially had to buy this notebook since my laptop broke or burnt out. 

I think I may have to get meals on wheels. I wish they would just deliver fish and vegetarian meals but its whatever you get daily so I have to order frozen dinners by the week. So lots to get done. I wish I would have done this surgery when I was younger but no I worked and didn't want to take any days off for the surgery so I wrecked my back and now I'm older and its harder.  Take care and glad to hear no one was hurt with your patch Todd. Sara
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Hi Sara,

Great to see you . As always, I wish it was under better circumstances. Glad the pharmacy has made it a little easier to return the old patches. I personally think it's a good way to ensure safe disposal of a very strong and potentially deadly medication. Keeps the bad guys from getting them and any critters that get into garbage.

I hope you have long lasting relief from the upcoming rfa. And minimal bruising, I remember some pictures owww. Definitely not a fun procedure but it's great how much they help.

Best wishes for a speedy recovery on your reduction surgery. I'd be really nervous too Sara. I think you're smart to arrange all the help you can in advance. Recovering from anything when you live alone is scary, and difficult to manage.

Fingers crossed for much less pain in your future.
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Yeah, the urine drug test they give us......... They use a very expensive cup at the Dr's office first that detects the drug's presence and any others.  Then they are mandated by law (supposedly) to send it to a lab for further screening and serum level analysis.  This is all good by me except one thing.... They charge hundreds of dollars for this seemingly wasteful test that save for the serum level, tells them what they already know.  My insurance usually pays but every other time I get a bill for 3-4 hundred bucks from the lab company.  more headaches.
I actually weened off two months ago which was very difficult taking only 30mg ER morphine.  I decided you can't be on something forever so I guess I'll be getting used to suffering again.
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thanks Bailey. Nice to see you again. Todd thats good you're on something but cant imagine going from a hundred patch to ms contin 30. I used to take ms contin 30mg 4x a day then was switched to oxyxontin 20 4x a day then was changed to fentanyl. i wish I could get off Fentanyl to ms contin or only as needed meds but really the Drs. like the slow release meds I know I can't talk to my pain Dr. when he does my Nerve burn as he's busy OR day another time though. Thanks
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I actually just heard about this the other day.  While I understand the premise behind the action, it doesn't make sense to me in some ways.  I mean there's a danger in just keeping the unused patches around waiting to give them to the pharmacy.  And the Fentanyl which is killing addicts right now, you are correct is in the heroin coming from China.  Nothing at all to do with the Fentanyl you are getting at the pharmacy.

 I get it that they are just trying to to something about the problem.  I saw an article the other day where the author was likening this whole war on drugs to the FDA, DEA and such as playing a game of Whack-a-mole.  As different moles pop up, they whack them hoping that if they whack enough of them, they will eventually hit the right one.  Kinda funny I thought.
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That don't stick to my skin.
Too many dogs and cats around to risk that.

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